From: Louise
To: donna laframboise
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:58 AM
Subject: Fw: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF
[Note that of the series of e-mails embedded here, the final one was sent to only the president, Mr. Bouvier. He shared it with no one, even me, until The Post actions, over a month after the date highlighted below.]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>
To: <bobbouvier@netzero.net>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert G.J. Bouvier" <bouvier@willowglen.ca>
> To: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:08 PM
> Subject: RE: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF
>
>
> > Louise,
> >
> > Please do not e-mail me with details of the conflict between yourself and
> > Ferrel. There are things that I like about both of you and I don't want to
> > be put in the middle. I am puzzled why Mike Laberge and others are being
> > brought into this. Please handle this between yourselves and please do not
> > make a major stink about things to the media exposing this or that. The
> > last thing we need is publicly feuding members of our movement with
public
> > mudslinging. Our rag-tag group cannot afford a bunch of bad publicity.
>
> If you can't afford bad publicity, you should perhaps read Ferrel's book
> Pornography: the other side. If his thinking ever became public knowledge,
> as I believe it should for public safety reasons, your reputation would be
> destroyed anyway. It amazes me that it hasn't already come out, given the
> many media enemies Ferrel has. [Back]
Add to this the fact that the main resource
> provided to newcomers is a disbarred lawyer who had sex with a teenager,
[Though of minor importance in its own right, the fact that actual sex did not take place
made Malenfant's other accusations here even less credible to Mr. Bouvier.] [Back]
> along with a man who feels taboos against sex with children and child
> pornography should be eliminated, [Note the time and date of this second forwarding to the reporter
of this e-mail. Next, the first forwarding:] [Next] and you have yourself a first class
> scandal on your hands. If I can find this out, so can anyone else, and
> ecmas has a lot of secrets to keep as a result. It has been my experience
> that the falsely accused want nothing to do with people who have "liberal"
> thoughts about child sexual abuse, yet that is exactly what they get when
> they go to a support group meeting. I find it very odd that ecmas would
> prefer to sweep these issues under the rug, and wonder how long you will be
> able to do so successfully. The ultimate irony, of course, is that this man
> is attempting to impugn my reputation, and I am supposed to sit idlely by
> and allow it to happen without any response. Regardless of what you may
> think of me, I feel a person responsibility to the people experiencing the
> pain of family law, and find it difficult to ignore these issues. While it
> would perhaps be the easier route to stick my head in the sand and ignore it
> like everyone else in Edmonton does, it is only a question of time before
> someone else discovers what you are doing.
>
> > There are too many people that have worked too hard for too many years.
>> It has been hard work to gain the credibility the good members of ECMAS (and
> > MERGE) have built up and if this is destroyed (and it won't take too much),
> > then the people we are trying to help will lose out the most. Please note
> > that Ferrel has left me out of things and has not discussed the problems
> > between the two of you. I am not sure what has happened to you lately,
>> but I have previously heard some brief details of the conflict from both of you.
> > As I am not intimately involved with the issues I really don't want to
> > take sides one way or the other. I do not want to referee and I really don't
> > want to get involved. I have enough problems with my own life. I wish
> > the bickering and threats would stop. Maybe you both can make some
>> agreement to keep away from each other and not talk about each other.
>
> I have made multiple efforts to do so, to no avail. I have not attended any
> ecmas meeting or support meeting for three months, but get calls every week
> about the disparaging comments he makes when my name comes up. I am a
> paid up member of ecmas, but am being asked to avoid any meetings where
> Ferrel may be in attendance, and I have tried to accomodate that request.
>
> > both of you would only address the people that are directly involved
> > with the dispute and please do not involve a bunch of other people.
>
> This is rather difficult to do as I have no idea what forums Ferrel has
> chosen to discredit me. I only know that I get regular calls about it, and
> I refuse to ignore it any longer.
>
> >I would hope
> > that both of you try to diffuse the issue rather step things up.
>
> If you are asking me to ignore the problem, that is not going to happen.
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Same to you, Louise
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Robert G.J. Bouvier 4507 - 103A Ave.
> > Tel: +1 (780) 468-6328 Edmonton Alberta
> > bobbouvier@netzero.net CANADA T6A 0W2
> > ------------------------------------------
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Robert G.J. Bouvier Willowglen Systems Inc. 8522 Davies Road
> > Applications Engineer Total SCADA Solutions Edmonton Alberta
> > http://www.willowglen.ca Tel: +1 (780) 465-1530 CANADA T6E 4Y5
> > bouvier@willowglen.ca Fax: +1 (780) 465-0130
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Louise [mailto:malenfant@powersurfr.com]
> > Sent: February 15, 2001 11:17 AM
> > To: ron marshall; Elsie Cable; bobby bouvier; Mike La Berge; Abdula
> > Mahamad; shannon Stachnik; [the aunt]; Brian St. Germaine;
> > [Source A's email]; [the girlfriend]; S.A. Green; Gerald Gauthier;
> > Ferrel Christensen
> > Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF
> >
> >
> > I am not sure what the list of names reveals about anything. While most of
> > the names are of merge, ecmas and gief members, I consult with both Stan and
> > Gerald on a regular basis about nearly all issues relating to gender
> > equality, because I admire them and respect their judgement and for no other
> > reason. I certainly don't plan on asking Ferrel's permission for the people
> > I do and do not communicate with.
> >
> > It is no secret that Ferrel has been casting aspersions in a general way
> > about my "reputation", with nothing substantial or specific, but it appears
> > that he really hates it when he is confronted on it, as I have chosen to do
> > at this time. I will no longer stand idly by and watch the likes of Ferrel
> > Christensen attack a reputation that belongs to me alone, something that I
> > have worked to achieve for nearly a decade dedicated to establishing gender
> > equality in my life time.
> >
> > As for Ferrel's admonition that neither of us communicate with anyone again
> > on this issue, I don't take directions from Ferrel, and I will talk about
> > what I want with whomever I want unless they themselves tell me otherwise.
> > My position is on the record - If Ferrel Christensen does not cease and
> > desist his regular denunciation of my character and my work, I will take
> > this dispute public and make formal complaint to the human rights
> > commission. His methods only work in an environment of secrecy and fear of
> > confrontation, and I will not conspire to make it easy for him to harm my
> > reputation.
> >
> > Louise Malenfant
> > Family Advocate
> > Parents Helping Parents, Edmonton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ferrel Christensen" <ferrel.christensen@ualberta.ca>
> > To: "Louise" <malenfant@powersurfr.com>; "ron marshall"
<rsmdad@home.com>;
> > "Elsie Cable" <rcable@telusplanet.net>; "bobby bouvier"
> > <bobbouvier@netzero.net>; "Mike La Berge" <ecmas@telusplanet.net>; "Abdula
> > Mahamad" <amahamad@ecn.ab.ca>; "shannon Stachnik" <ampsjs@home.com>;
> > "[the aunt]" <[aunt's email address]>; "Brian St. Germaine"
> > <stgermai@telusplanet.net>; <[Source A's email address]>; "[the girlfriend]"
> > <[girlfriend's email address]>; "S.A. Green" <greest@bmi.net>; "Gerald Gauthier"
> > <ggauthier@interlink.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: A Message to Ecmas, Merge and GIEF
> >
> >
> > > I believe the list of names to which Louise sent her message reveals
> > pretty
> > > well which of us is seeking opportunity to disparage the other. Those I
> > > have told about the serious conflict between her and me have been on a
> > > need-to-know basis. Indeed, I had to do so in the first place mostly to
> > > tell my side of the story to certain individuals she had already made
> > > allegations to. And I have consistently described the good I see in her
> > > behavior with the bad--truth is an absolute defence.
> > >
> > > I apologise to those receiving this message for the further intrusion, and
> > > trust that henceforth neither of us will feel a need to bother them with
> > > such messages.
> > >
> > > FC
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:23 AM 2/14/01 -0600, Louise wrote:
> > > >A Message to Ecmas, Merge and Geif, from Parents Helping Parents
> > > >February 13, 2001
> > > >=========================================
> > > >
> > > >Once again, today, I was reminded of the fact that my former employer,
> > > Ferrel Christensen, is finding any opportunity to disparage me since our
> > > total disassociation of November, 2000. I am well aware of Mr.
> > > Christensen's activities as I am told about them on a regular basis. And
> > > while it is no secret that we despise each other, I have for three months
> > > ignored these provocations in the hope that Mr. Christensen would
> > > eventually cease his behaviour in a natural way as most of us would do.
> > > Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Christensen is not
> > > like ordinairy folk, and is unable to let go of his rage.
> > > >
> > > >I therefore wish to state for the record that I view an attack upon my
> > > reputation and my character as no different then a physical attach upon my
> > > person. I further wish to advise, in all seriousness, that should this
> > > libelous behaviour continue, I shall be left with no choice but to bring
> > > our dispute to full public light. [My "libelous
behavior" was telling a few ECMAS people about certain fabrications by
her.] [Back]
In addition, I have drafted a
formal
> > > complaint to the Human Rights Commission concerning Mr. Christensen's
> > > behaviour as an employer, who invited me here under the false pretense that
> > > he represented a legitimate organization run by a board of directors.
[Ms. Malenfant had blithely changed this absurd charge about my registered foundation (and
its board) even before she forwarded this email to the reporter:] [Next]
> > > Though this has not been filed, it will be if this behaviour does not cease
> > > and desist immediately. I hope this will convince the above-noted family
> > > rights organizations that I am no longer prepared to turn the other cheek,
> > > and will no longer abide any aspersions to my reputation. With all due
> > > respect to the collective organizations here, Parents Helping Parents has
> > > every right to be very proud of the work and the reputation we have
> > > developed over nearly a decade of dedication to gender equality issues in
> > > family law. I trust that no one will take my effort to be patient with
> > > Ferrel Christensen as a sign of weakness, for the day is over when I accept
> > > his behavior without responding to it.
> > > >
> > > >PHP will be taking a moratorium on our activities for at least a month, to
> > > reflect on this disturbing situation and come to a decision regarding our
> > > next course of action. Should I receive any additional feedback indicating
> > > that Ferrel Christensen is continuing with his adolescent activities, I
> > > will not hesitate to respond in kind and with the full force of my own
> > > research on his own dubious history. We will see whose reputation
> > > withstands that kind of scrutiny.
> > > >
> > > >Louise Malenfant
> > > >Family Advocate
> > > >Parents Helping Parents, Edmonton
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>