From: Laframboise, Donna
[mailto:DLaframboise@nationalpost.com]
Sent: March
23, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: National Post Article [Back]
[Its date and time indicate this
e-mail (supplied by DL) was sent before my lawyer's defamation warning was. I
first learned of and saw this e-mail on the afternoon of Sunday March 25;
consequently, I was unaware of its contents when I received and replied to the reporter's
March 23rd e-mail to me, and
when I sent my proposed article to the editor--FC]
Thank you for your note. Just so I'm not confused, there are
a number of
points I'd like you to clarify.
Keeping in mind that you are the president of ECMAS
Edmonton,
1.When did you, personally, first become aware of Ms.
Malenfant's concerns
regarding what Ferrel Christensen's book says about children
& sex? On what
date approximately?
2.What steps did you, personally, take afterward? Did you
discuss the matter
with Mr. Christensen? Did you get a copy of the book and
look at these
passages yourself? Did you ask Ms. Malenfant for details? If
so, when?
3.If you took no steps, why not?
4. When did you, personally, first become aware of Ms.
Malenfant's concerns
regarding the exact details of [Tim] Adams' disbarment?
5. What steps did you, personally, take afterward? Did you
discuss the
matter with Mr. Adams? Did you endeavor to find out more
information from
the Law Society or any other source? Did you ask Ms.
Malenfant for specific
details? If so, when?
6. If you took no steps, why not?
5. If, as Ms. Malenfant claims, she raised these concerns
with you well in
advance of the election held on March 12 of this year:
-why did you not object to Mr. Adams running for
vice-president?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that your new
vice-president is
someone who has pled guilty to hiring a child prositute?
6. If, as Ms. Malenfant
claims, she raised the issue of Mr. Christensen's
controversial views
about children and sex well in advance of the March 12
election:
-why
did you not take steps weeks
ago to disassociate ECMAS from these
views? [Since the reporter knew Ms. Malenfant had told the president
I condone child sex abuse, she knew her own words here were endorsing that claim.
But (though I hadn't yet threatened to sue) she did not put it in
writing.] [Back]
-do
you believe it is no concern of yours that Mr. Christensen disagrees
with "the common idea that there is something inherently
emotionally
unhealthful about children, or even adolescents, having
sexual knowledge or
sexual activity" (p. 109)?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that that Mr.
Christensen writes
that "the idea that sex is bad for young people is at best
another
self-fulfilling prophesy" - and that, in his view, the
real problem is not
sex in childhood, but society's uptight views about it (p.
110)?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that Mr.
Christensen writes
approvingly of "childhood lust" (p. 110)?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that Mr.
Christensen believes
young people "naturally desire" "sexual
contact with peers" and that by
preventing them from acting on this desire our society
renders them
vulnerable to pedophiles who show them pornography (p. 112)?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that Mr.
Christensen writes that
pedophiles coercing children into sex "is potentialy no
more [serious] than
[society's] practice of coercing them NOT to act
sexually" (p. 113)?
-do you believe it is no concern of yours that Mr.
Christensen implies that
the real problem with adults coercing children into sex
isn't the coercion
or the sex itself but the fact that children will find such
experiences
distressing only, apparently, because society is uptight
about sex generally
(p. 113)?
7. Is it your position that ECMAS' problems at the moment
are not due to Mr.
Christenen's controversial views or to Mr. Adams' criminal
record - but
solely to Ms. Malenfant? [Since
the "problems" alluded to is the attack by the reporter herself, and
since I was guilty of no wrongdoing, it is at least true that those involving
me were solely due to Ms.
Malenfant.--FC]
Yours truly,
D.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Donna Laframboise
The National Post
1450 Don Mills Road, Suite 300
Toronto, Ontario
M3B 3R5
phone: 416-383-2374
fax: 416-383-2439
dlaframboise@nationalpost.com
> ----------
> From: Bob
Bouvier
> Reply To: bobbouvier@netzero.net
> Sent: Friday,
March 23, 2001 10:33
> To: dlaframboise@nationalpost.com
> Subject: National
Post Article
>
[Note well that the reporter's reply (scroll up to see it) to this e-mail from the president didn't ask anything about the election, despite his words below expanding on what he'd said in their interview.]
> Dear Ms. Laframboise:
>
> I apologize for the delay in this message. I receive access with my
> children on Thursdays and as most everyone I know in
ECMAS, my children
> are
> my top priority.
>
> As
per our telephone conversation today, please note that the home phone
> number for James
Haiden, the leader of the ECMAS Support Group, is:
>
> +1 (780) 433-6456 [Back]
>
> Please note that the ECMAS message line computer was
down today and
> therefore I was unable to receive the copies of [Tim] Adams' court
> that you were going to send to me via facsimile
transmission at (780)
> 988-4015. Please note that the message line computer is
now up again and
> should be able to receive your documents.
>
> The ECMAS board will be meeting this weekend. I will bring copies of the
> court documents and I will inform the board of the
details of our
> conversation.
The board will then pick up from our Wednesday meeting and
> decide on the acceptance of the resignation of [Tim] Adams. After the
> decision is made, I will promptly inform you.
>
> You may be interested to
know that Ms. Malenfant
was at the last ECMAS
> general meeting
on March 12th and she did nothing to inform the voters
> with
> Please note that she said nothing and her entourage left
promptly in the
> middle of the
meeting after her candidate lost. If as she states in a
> recent e-mail
that she was "spurred on" to act because of her "duty as a
> family
advocate", then why did she not speak out before the voting? There
> was ample
opportunity for her to do so but she did not. [The
reporter's return email to this one (we looked at it early on in its own right)
is above. Just as she had rejected or ignored all of the president's
explanations in their interview, in that return email the reporter ignores
everything he says here; instead, she accusingly demands to know why he didn't
do the things Ms. Malenfant had allegedly wanted him to do.] [Back]
>
> Regards,
> ------------------------------------------
> Robert G.J. Bouvier 4507 - 103A Ave.
> Tel: +1 (780) 468-6328 Edmonton Alberta
> bobbouvier@netzero.net CANADA
T6A 0W2
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